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So... is this an etherchan recreation, or are we forging a brave new history, based on not thinking but feeling? Darkpa 06:30, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- We can recreate eterchan while forging a brave new history, based on not thinking but feeling! Basically let#s blantanly copy over all the things one might have liked and then just go into any random direction from there, I'd say. --Halcy 06:32, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- I sure hope it's like all the retarded shit from etherchan, and none of the formalist bullshit from wikichan. Hurr I need to get on IRC. --Turippufaggu 06:33, 7 October 2007 (PDT) (also the "edit" link needs to change into "rape".)
- But I loved the formalist bullshit on wikichan ;_; - Jack Phoenix 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- Because we are JUST THAT COOL we can have formalist formalisms on some wiki pages, and none of that on others! Isn't the internet a grand place? :O
- Well, I'd like to have a sort of kopipe archive thing and a sort of DQN music list of lyrics et cetera thing which should be rather sane, but other than that... --Halcy 06:37, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- Yes, and the Haruhi fetish, and and and. More fun, less boring. Also hopefully fewer revert wars, and better (read: any) backups, and less web host database freakouts. --Turippufaggu 06:41, 7 October 2007 (PDT) (I mean it about the backups. Do eeeeet.)
- Well, basically: Whatever user peoples do here is where this site will go. As for the backups, I'll see to that eventually (As soon as there is something worth backing up, meh.)
- BTW having a new wiki is awesome, so thanks, good luck, and ∵. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 09:16, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- Hello my fellow VIPPERS! Let's work hard on this okay?~--VIPPER 17:36, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- BTW having a new wiki is awesome, so thanks, good luck, and ∵. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 09:16, 7 October 2007 (PDT)
- Well, basically: Whatever user peoples do here is where this site will go. As for the backups, I'll see to that eventually (As soon as there is something worth backing up, meh.)
- Yes, and the Haruhi fetish, and and and. More fun, less boring. Also hopefully fewer revert wars, and better (read: any) backups, and less web host database freakouts. --Turippufaggu 06:41, 7 October 2007 (PDT) (I mean it about the backups. Do eeeeet.)
- (also the "edit" link needs to change into "rape".)
- Strongly seconded. It's just a matter of changing MediaWiki:Edit. Also propose renaming "move" to "carry out".
- I propose changing MediaWiki:Watch to "I see what u did thar". --Fou-Lu 18:36, 23 May 2008 (PDT)
- But I loved the formalist bullshit on wikichan ;_; - Jack Phoenix 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
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[raep] Recent changes
The years in Special:Recentchanges are roughly 14 years off... --( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 15:31, 8 October 2007 (PDT)
... hm. dates in signatures are off too. I imagine the server clock is inaccurate? --( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 15:32, 8 October 2007 (PDT)
- Believe me, I thought about it. When I have time to, I'll try to fumble around with mediawiki's date formatting to correct this.
[raep] The main page is a mess
We really should try to have something more serious on that page, with links that let you explore a lot of pages. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 08:06, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- Fixed. --( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 12:50, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- Maybe we can create some tables for something like featured articles or whatever? --VIPPER 14:45, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- This is much worse than what we had before. The only resolution it works in is 1440*900, anything smaller makes the featured images boxes bleed over, and anything bigger has too much whitespace. I like the idea, but you definitely at least have to fix the featured image boxes.--Maid 12:50, 11 October 2007 (PDT)
- Maybe we can create some tables for something like featured articles or whatever? --VIPPER 14:45, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
Is the alignment all screwed up for anyone else now? The featured images are completely overlapping with the current events for me, no matter what I set my browser size to... --( ﾟ ヮﾟ) 18:08, 22 October 2007 (PDT)
- Yes, it is most definitely all screwed up.
- Broken for me too. Changing the main page to this would fix it, it seems:
{|
|- valign='top'
|{{:Front Page}}
|{{:Featured Images}}
|-
|}
- Also, I tried to change the editable section into something that might encourage people to make more than 2 edits per week. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 22:24, 22 October 2007 (PDT)
- Oh hey thanks, I unfuxed it, also neat work there.
- Also, I tried to change the editable section into something that might encourage people to make more than 2 edits per week. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 22:24, 22 October 2007 (PDT)
[raep] Regarding the 'more fun' and 'fewer revert wars' thing mentioned earlier
I think bad jokes should be killed on sight, unfunny crap or completely unrelated jokes fucking up awesome collaborative efforts and nobody daring to remove them because it would be reverted were pretty much the reason why I gave up on etherchan. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 08:13, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- Seconded, though with less aggro and more finger-pointing and laughing. The Immaturity Mansion wasn't built in a day. Turippufaggu 08:31, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- Agreed, but there really isn't anything we can do about it unless we start enforcing some set of rules or guidelines. Just remove the unfunny shit where you find it and don't worry about it if it starts a revert war. ☆★VIPSTAR★☆ 10:13, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- The problem after a few months on etherchan was that most pages just became an amalgamation of unfunny one-liners. I think the following could help us keep it good in the long run:
- Once a page or series of pages starts to be good we should stick to the established theme and attitude of the page and keep only the very best material
- Good trolls should be protected from counter-trolling or actual debate (whatever our actual opinion may be)
- Cross-referencing memes shouldn't be overdone
- Also, there was not enough intelligent meta-discussion at etherchan. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 10:45, 10 October 2007 (PDT)
- YUO LOEV TEH LOVE OF THE COCK OLOLOLOLOLOL!!!1! --Halcy 14:06, 11 October 2007 (PDT) (Does this qualify as a metainsult?)
- wut
- YUO LOEV TEH LOVE OF THE COCK OLOLOLOLOLOL!!!1! --Halcy 14:06, 11 October 2007 (PDT) (Does this qualify as a metainsult?)
- Oh I know, let's have a cabal. That'll keep us safe from revert wars: we can just call them IDfags and... ok, maybe not. Let's wait until we have actual problems and then solve them maybe perhaps possibally? --Turippufaggu 16:19, 11 October 2007 (PDT)
- The problem after a few months on etherchan was that most pages just became an amalgamation of unfunny one-liners. I think the following could help us keep it good in the long run:
[raep] Spam trap a'la kareha
Anyone here who is down with mediawiki and PHP more than I am up for doing this? If not, I'll prolly get onto that eventually, as it should make us pretty much spam-free for good.
- I'm working on exactly that... will post here once I get it working. (probably 'round the 17th or so, things are slightly hectic at the moment) --Storlek
- That's great. (Don't push yourself, it's not as we'e in a hurry here or something)
- Well crap, there's a couple problems with this...
- First and most obvious, normal forum spambots kind of blindly stumble through the form submission, whereas wiki spam (at least from what I can tell as I haven't any of the data from their form submissions, just observations of the results) is specifically tailored to MediaWiki's configuration. This means just slipping in a spam-trap field called "name" and expecting it to be blank probably won't work.
- Second, I don't think it's quite so easy to rename them (opposed to adding extra fields, which is quite easy) so spambots that fill in wgTextbox1 would really be filling in the spam-trap box -- since the part of the form output code that writes the text boxes is hard-coded deep within MediaWiki. I don't know if maybe there's some way to capture the output and do a regex replace when it's writing the form, but even in that case it'd be a fairly stupid hack. The alternative is to hack the code to change the fields, and stick something in the Request class that drops submissions including text in the spam-trap box -- but that's another obscure thing that needs to be fixed by hand after an upgrade instead of a nicely packaged extension. (= ugh)
- Maybe ConfirmEdit really is the best solution... it can be configured only to show a captcha when there's an external link in the text, so in general it shouldn't be too much of a bother (excluding all the pages with links to 4-ch.net...), but I'd personally still want to to figure out if there's some other way to do it without using a captcha.
- --Storlek
- Hey, anything that works is fine. -- Turippufaggu 15:03, 31 December 2007 (PST)
- Spontaneous idea number one: Have a hidden field which is filled. That should kill mediawiki specific bots quite niceley. Number two: Use javascript. Actually, don't. While this would work, it's MEH. Other than that, it'd be a whole lotta work... (edit) after looking at the main page, holy shit. Imma do this _right now_.
- That's great. (Don't push yourself, it's not as we'e in a hurry here or something)
UPDATE: Hacked together something very simple, added a "name" field (text, hidden by CSS) which must not be filled, and another hidden field ("city_in_west_germany") which 'must' contain a special key ("bottrop"). Let's see if this curbs the automatic spamming a little. (Then again, without the spammers, the Recent Changes page looks so empty... :T) --Halcy 18:30, 31 December 2007 (PST)--Halcy 18:30, 31 December 2007 (PST)
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<style type="text/css"> #name { display:none; } </style> - Boo. Should go in the site stylesheet. ;)
- Also did this take source hacking beyond what an extension can do? --Storlek
- Did not, but as you can see, it's not working particularily well. I'll try something else soonish, maybe make the "hidden" field into another text one. (Or mabybe i'm doing the "edit denied" code wrong and you can just override it somehow... not sure there) --Halcy 05:09, 1 January 2008 (PST)
- Source Code of the NEW AND IMPROVED version, lesse if this works a little better (i.e. at all). Suggestions for improvement are very much welcome. Preferably, they'd be non-intrusive, would not require things like javascript, and be unnoticable to users... :T --Halcy 06:39, 1 January 2008 (PST)
- I think there may be 2 different bots attacking the site right now - the one that uses random strings as the title of the new sections, and the one that uses human-readable ads. Maybe it's gonna work for the 2nd one?
- But it'd be nice to have some captcha annoyance for edits with links, the spam is increasing fast. I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 05:44, 1 January 2008 (PST)
- I hate captchas, which is why I would like to avoid them. Imma try a few different things before that, but first, I'm gonna figure out if my thing works _at all_, or if I maybe screwed the code up. I know PHP only in as much as it is similiar to generic C-like languages. --Halcy 05:46, 1 January 2008 (PST)
- Do someone know how mediawiki spambots work anyway? Googling the question only yields useless shit about locking down your install. It's probable the best ones use real browser engines to bypass tests designed to check whether the user-agent is an actual browser. In that case adding unusual fields wouldn't work... but maybe a simple visible 'human' checkbox defaulting to unchecked (and remembered in a cookie to make it painless) could help? I am a proud member of the Elitist Superstructure of DQN 11:54, 1 January 2008 (PST)
- I hate captchas, which is why I would like to avoid them. Imma try a few different things before that, but first, I'm gonna figure out if my thing works _at all_, or if I maybe screwed the code up. I know PHP only in as much as it is similiar to generic C-like languages. --Halcy 05:46, 1 January 2008 (PST)
[04:04] <halcy> Whee~ according to my log, the extension successfully cockblocked three spam attempts. [04:05] <halcy> *five [04:06] <halcy> Let's hope it stays this way.
[raep] Dates
I suggest that the datist cabal dates in the timestamps be replaced with the true date. ID:hSxRUcM4 10:23, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- That'll happen as soon as someone (Me? You? Whoever?) is bored and decides to hack up mediawiki to do that. :T —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halcy
- This was discussed, but MediaWiki's date handling makes it quite difficult.
[raep] Collapsible template, DQN Art template, etc...
I'll spare everyone who cares the trouble of figuring what all the edits I did the last 2 days were about and make a summary:
- I lifted some collapse JS code from ed (mediawiki won't let users embed js, since of course you really don't to let people do XSS all over the place, so it needs a pretty complicated JS implementation).
- I've added a simple JS that autohides any element of the class 'autohide'. For all intents and purposes, elements of this class will act as if they were inside a 'noscript' element (which is disabled on mediawiki).
- I've made a new Collapsible template. It uses both scripts in an user-friendly way that degrades cleanly with JS disabled. Documentation and examples provided on it, let me know if they are not clear eough.
- Only tested it on Mac browsers right now. Will test on Windows later. Could someone spare me the pain of booting a Livecd and check it in Konqueror and Firefox/Lin?
- Works fine in FF (as you'd expect, it's the same JS code for all OSes), don't have Konqi but I fully expect it to work given that it runs in Safari (again, same javascript engine). I'll try it on my Wii later tonight. :)
- The JS works A-OK in Konqueror.
- Tested on Windows. Works everywhere, even MSIE5!
- Only tested it on Mac browsers right now. Will test on Windows later. Could someone spare me the pain of booting a Livecd and check it in Konqueror and Firefox/Lin?
- I'd like to propose we use this collapsible thing to transition from a 'DQN Music' to a 'DQN Art' template. The template should make it clear what is actual downloadable stuff and what is just archives of DQN stuff. People who aren't that much into DQN culture are a little confused about this (see Talk:All_Alone_For_Christmas_Remixes).
- I'll make the template prettier when I can, unless someone else cares enough to do it before.
Thoughts/requests/trolls? —IAAPMOTESOD 10:31, 19 February 2008 (PST)
[raep] I luv u guiys
where are you all? --ID:vWasFg7/ 16:38, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
- We're HIDDEN FROM VIEW!
- Oh, okay --Fou-Lu 08:03, 23 May 2008 (PDT)
